Episode 1
Ep. 01 (GDL): Peter Egazarian: Blending the tradition of the game with the technology of the future.
We welcome Peter Egazarian from the illustrious Farmington Country Club, diving deep into the intricate connections between golf, personal development, and the human experience. The episode kicks off with Peter sharing his unique journey from a traditional golf instructor to a performance coach who integrates cutting-edge technology and sports science into his practice. Together, we explore how golf serves as a mirror, revealing our true selves and offering invaluable lessons on resilience and character, cementing the idea that “GOLF DON'T LIE.” Peter also highlights the rich history of Farmington, where the legacy of Thomas Jefferson intertwines with modern golfing experiences, creating a vibrant community atmosphere. Tune in as we unpack the transformative power of golf, emphasizing relationships built on the course and the personal growth that comes from every swing taken.
Everything in golf leads back to the individual, and this vibe runs throughout the conversation with Peter Egazarian. Jeff and Justin kick things off by discussing their own experiences with golf, emphasizing how the sport brings people together and fosters lifelong friendships. The episode highlights how golf serves as a great equalizer, exposing personal strengths and weaknesses through the lens of the game. Peter's insights into his role at Farmington Country Club showcase the blend of tradition and innovation that defines modern golf. He details his background in sports performance and how it shapes his approach to coaching, illustrating how technology can enhance the golf experience while maintaining the sport's integrity. The discussion also touches on the significance of mentorship and community in the golfing world, with Peter underscoring the importance of creating a welcoming environment for all players. This episode is a rich exploration of golf's role in shaping character and building relationships, making it a must-listen for anyone passionate about the game.
Takeaways:
- Golf is a reflection of personal character, revealing who you really are under pressure.
- The importance of relationships in golf cannot be overstated; they shape both our game and life experiences.
- Using technology in golf training, such as the NX Pro unit, greatly enhances performance and recovery.
- A relaxed mindset is crucial for success in golf, as stress can hinder performance on the course.
- The history of Farmington Country Club intertwines with Thomas Jefferson, making it a unique and historical golfing venue.
- Building a community through golf, like Mandatory Golf Friday, fosters connections and friendships among players.
Companies mentioned in this episode:
- Farmington Country Club
- Trackman
- NeuX Tech
- Old Warson Country Club
- Arcadia Bluffs
- Korn Ferry Tour
- NPI
- 1stPhorm
Companies mentioned in this episode:
- firstform
- Farmington Country Club
- New X
- Trackman
Transcript
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Speaker B:Different paths, different stories.
Speaker C:This, this, this game tells all.
Speaker C:Golf Don't Lie.
Speaker A:What's up everybody?
Speaker A:And welcome to Golf Don't Lie.
Speaker A:Justin.
Speaker B:What's happening, brother Jeff, I'm pumped to be here, man.
Speaker B:I'm, I'm bummed I missed.
Speaker B:I know you had a little golf this morning.
Speaker B:Bummed I couldn't make it, but pumped to talk a little golf with you right now.
Speaker A:Yeah, we had our, had our MGF this this morning and man, that's just become so much fun going out there with.
Speaker A:I mean, we've got a crew going out, like 20 guys now almost every Friday.
Speaker A:It's been fantastic.
Speaker B:I remember going out when I was just like one group of four and you were kind of getting different people and it's just been awesome to see it grow.
Speaker B:And now there's, you know, the official point standings.
Speaker B:You got to sign up for the tee time Saturday morning.
Speaker B:It's legit.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:With the chase for the buckle, as it's called, where we will be doling out a, an official customade like country western belt buckle, not, not your WWE style belt, but a legit buckle that you can wear out to the bar or whatever when you win this thing.
Speaker A:So it's awesome.
Speaker A:Yeah, man, I'm super excited to get this new show rolling.
Speaker A:Welcome everybody to Golf Don't Lie.
Speaker A:This is a brand new venture.
Speaker A:It's, it's a, a reboot of the 18 strong podcast, but we're going in a bit of a different direction.
Speaker A:Obviously one difference here is having Justin Bryant, my good buddy, here on the line to do some of the intros.
Speaker A:Hopefully eventually we can pull him into some of the interviews.
Speaker A:It's kind of tough when schedules don't align.
Speaker A:You've got three kiddos running you everywhere, but we'll get you there.
Speaker B:Oh yeah, we'll get, we'll, we'll get there.
Speaker B:You know, asking, asking the hard hitting questions to the, these guys.
Speaker B:But no, it's, it's going to be cool.
Speaker B:I'm excited to listen to the conversation.
Speaker B:You know, tell me a little bit about Pete.
Speaker B:The first one.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, you know, the idea behind the show here is really to, to get away from so much of the technical stuff that we talked a lot about on the 18 strong podcast.
Speaker A:We had 370 episodes where we talked fitness, we talked with the coaches, the mental game coaches, the swing coaches, different players, and we're going to have conversations with all of these kind of people again, and really probably bring on a lot of the past guests as well.
Speaker A:But we wanted to go in a little different direction because we realized that so many of our great conversations that we had and so many of the great conversations that we have when we're out on the golf course, you know, with our guys, and, you know, when you're out playing competitions, I'm sure, is, you know, talking about.
Speaker A:Talking about life and.
Speaker A:And then even how some of the situations that you run into in golf or how you react or how you control and.
Speaker A:And handle yourself out there really mimic and relate to life, too.
Speaker A:And so we're like, let's put a little different spin on this show where we can have conversations with anybody in the world.
Speaker A:They don't have to be a PGA Tour player or a golf professional or a fitness professional.
Speaker A:But the common thread here is that we all love the game.
Speaker A:So many people gravitate towards this game once they get out of other competitions.
Speaker A:So the professional athletes, we see a lot of musicians and actors all going into the game of golf.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:I think it's because it constantly reminds you where you are.
Speaker A:You can always get better at it.
Speaker A:You're always working on something, and I just think that that's the coolest thing about it.
Speaker A:But at the same point, like, every time you go out on the golf course, golf don't lie.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It's gonna.
Speaker A:It's gonna kind of let you know where you are and what's going on in your game, but also maybe, you know, how you're reacting to everything.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think it's like the, you know, it's the test where you can get to know somebody the best out in the golf course for a lot of different reasons.
Speaker B:As you said, like, you're spending, you know, three to four hours with somebody, hopefully not five on the golf course.
Speaker B:I know it can be slow sometimes, but you're getting to know that person.
Speaker B:You're getting to talk.
Speaker B:Talk about life, kids, things like that.
Speaker B:But it's also, like, you get to know that person at their core.
Speaker B:You know, like I always say, like, your wife, you know, really knows you the best, and your kids, because, you know, you're not putting up a front of who you are.
Speaker B:Like, that's.
Speaker B:That's who you are.
Speaker B:And in the golf course is kind of the same way.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, it can expose who you are in a good or bad way.
Speaker B:And it's funny, now that my boys are getting a little bit older, you know, my minor 8, 6 and 4.
Speaker B:And the 4 year old's not quite into golf, but like you see their personalities loud and clear on the golf course, right?
Speaker B:So like my firstborn, classic firstborn, really hard on himself, you know, really trying to get the technique and the rules down middle ones.
Speaker B:Like, you know, I'm just swinging for the fences.
Speaker B:He's more relaxed out there and like you see that very clearly on the golf course, right?
Speaker B:It just like, yep, that's kind of your personality, who you are and I think that's what's so, so cool about golf.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, and I know your boys and I know those personality differences and I mean, lad is my man.
Speaker A:Dude, when we went to the baseball game that one time and I saw him, I saw him pitching in the, the, you know, in the net where they were showing your, your speed and they had a radar gun on and he's like going into his positions and I mean he had the look of a, of an MLB pitcher on and just throwing gas.
Speaker A:But you're right, like you can learn so much about somebody just playing nine holes with somebody.
Speaker A:I've always said like you can figure out probably within nine holes if that's a person that you want to hang out with more that you could go on like a three day golf trip with that, you know, want to or don't want to do business with because you see their temperament.
Speaker A:Do they throw clubs?
Speaker A:You know, what's their reaction when things go, go wrong?
Speaker A:What are the comments that they make?
Speaker A:And I think everybody that's listening can relate to that.
Speaker A:They've been on the golf course with somebody where they're like, yeah, probably not going to play with that guy again or yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to go straight home and not go hang out with that person afterwards.
Speaker B:Oh, I mean, absolutely.
Speaker B:I think I've seen it, you know, I've seen it all.
Speaker B:I've played competitive for a long time, so you see a lot of those club throws but like, you just, you do, you get, you know, like I go out with people and they're super serious about, you know, they want to keep the score.
Speaker B:And it's like, all right, you're a type a person.
Speaker B:That's how you're not good or bad.
Speaker B:That's just the reality of it.
Speaker B:And then you get some people that are taking mulligans and you know, it just, it really does showcase people the way they kind of go through life, how they handle business.
Speaker B:So it's, it's always, it's always fun.
Speaker B:Sometimes you're, you know, pleasantly surprised or you know, about how someone reacts on the course and sometimes you're like, huh, you know, but yeah.
Speaker B:Do you have any, like, big surprises you had?
Speaker B:I don't want to put anyone on blast.
Speaker B:I'm happy to, to show some stories.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, on the road.
Speaker A:So, so I would say, and, and this is kind of cool because in the episodes what we're going to be doing is asking each guest kind of what's a golf don't lie moment for them?
Speaker A:That can mean so many different things for so many different people.
Speaker A:But just like we're talking about, what does golf don't lie mean?
Speaker A:Golf is such an incredible sport that like you can go and you've probably been in this situation where you're going, you book a tee time, maybe you're playing with a buddy or two, but then there's, there's a random that gets paired up with you or a too soon that gets paired up and it seems like it's always kind of like a, oh man, I don't really want to play with a stranger.
Speaker A:But that can end up being one of the coolest and experiences ever.
Speaker A:And I have a story where exactly that happened.
Speaker A:So my son and I, Sam, who, you know, when we were up in Michigan last summer, we got to go play Arcadia Bluffs, which if you haven't been up there, incredible, incredible golf course.
Speaker A:The views are insane.
Speaker A:So Sam and I decided rather than go up there and beat our heads in and, you know, get mad at ourselves for not playing great golf, we were going to go up and play just a two man scramble.
Speaker A:And like, let's just go enjoy the course.
Speaker A:It'll be a little bit more fun.
Speaker A:We know we'll score better if the two of us are playing a scramble together.
Speaker A:So we get there and we don't know who we're going to be paired up with.
Speaker A:And in the pro shop I see this father and son and they check out right before us and as they walk out, the lady at the counter says, oh yeah, you're playing with that father and son right over there.
Speaker A:So we meet them on the driving range and kind of tell them like, nice to meet you guys.
Speaker A:His name was Brian.
Speaker A:We're going to play a two man scramble.
Speaker A:And he's like, oh man, I just hurt my finger or whatever.
Speaker A:So I'm a little squirrely right now.
Speaker A:So that sounds like a great idea.
Speaker A:We ended up having the greatest day on the golf course.
Speaker A:These guys were so great.
Speaker A:His son was 13 years old and was pounding the ball.
Speaker A:Good player.
Speaker A:But we just had like the greatest time out there.
Speaker A:We sat and had a beer and in Arcadia, the thing to do is sit behind the 18th green and watch the sun go down over the lake.
Speaker A:And so we went up, we had a burger, had a beer and just sat there and it was like, this was one of the coolest golf moments I've ever had.
Speaker A:I still, I literally just texted Brian a couple days ago.
Speaker A:We've kept in touch.
Speaker A:He might end up on our golf trip when we go down to the Macklemore in Georgia in a little bit.
Speaker A:So it's like that's one of the coolest experiences that I've had on the golf course.
Speaker A:And there's probably another 10 of those that, that I could name.
Speaker A:That is just like, man, you don't know what, what you're going to get when you go play golf.
Speaker A:And it can be cool, it can be awesome or you know, sometimes it can be, it can go the other way.
Speaker A:But that was one of the best ones I've had.
Speaker A:How about you?
Speaker B:Yeah, I. I mean, I gotta, I gotta play Arcadia.
Speaker B:It looks unbelievable.
Speaker A:Oh, un.
Speaker C:Incredible.
Speaker B:Yeah, it looks really cool.
Speaker B:I mean, I think this is just popping in my head.
Speaker B:There's been, there's been so many ones over the years.
Speaker B:I mean obviously like paint playing competitive golf since I was little playing in college.
Speaker B:Like you're kind of always playing with random people.
Speaker B:So I don't quite have like the same.
Speaker B:It's probably, to me it's just kind of normal.
Speaker B:Like you were going to meet somebody, you're going to spend four hours with them and you don't know them.
Speaker B:So I think just like over the years playing competitive, it's been cool to like meet a ton of different people.
Speaker B:But you know, I know we already talked about MGF with, with the 18 strong crew and it's just been really cool because we kind of do random tee times then is to just meet a bunch of different people that, you know, you're already connected with.
Speaker B:So it's probably not the same for you.
Speaker B:But for me, you know, joining up with these people and getting to play and have fun and walk Ruth and you know, then you kind of have that relationship moving forward.
Speaker B:So you know, in terms of the funny side, you know, you met, you meet a lot of people in pro golf that probably, you know, shouldn't be playing professional golf.
Speaker B:You know, some could have argue I shouldn't have been playing professional golf, but I'll never Forget.
Speaker B:There was this guy, this guy named.
Speaker B:Named Rooster is what he wanted me to call him.
Speaker B:And we were playing in a practice round for a Monday qualifier.
Speaker B:For people who don't know, there's might be a little different now, because I think they're kind of changing the structure.
Speaker B:But essentially, before, you know, PGA Tour event or a Corn Fairy Tour event, there's this Monday round where they take the top six lowest scores, and you actually play in that event.
Speaker B:And we were playing a practice round for the Monday qualifier.
Speaker B:So this is very relaxed.
Speaker B:You're not keeping a score.
Speaker B:And I get introduced on the first tee to Rooster.
Speaker B:I could tell Rooster was nervous.
Speaker B:Rooster was probably in his mid-50s, you know, he told me he had scouted out the course for months.
Speaker B:And he proceeds to double the first hole, which is fine again, no one really cares.
Speaker B:And walk up on the second tee, and he's like, man, I haven't been that nervous since, you know, junior high school football.
Speaker B:And I was like, oh, boy.
Speaker B:Rooster, like, golf.
Speaker B:Golf don't lie.
Speaker B:It's gonna.
Speaker B:It's gonna expose how you're feeling and where your game is.
Speaker B:And, you know, Rooster is probably the classic.
Speaker B:I normally hit at 300 yards.
Speaker B:I feel bad.
Speaker B:Rooster ended up withdrawing, I think, mid round of the actual Monday qualifier.
Speaker B:But at the same time, I think it just underlies a little bit of a comedic, you know, dark side of golf, is like, if you're not playing well, like, if you think you're, you know, if you're fudging on your handicap, you're gonna get exposed when the pressure comes with golf.
Speaker B:So that's just one I will always remember.
Speaker B:Is Rooster just kind of, you know, welcome to the big leagues moment?
Speaker A:Good old Rooster.
Speaker A:Maybe he.
Speaker A:Maybe he went on and started a golf glove company.
Speaker B:He did.
Speaker B:I hope he's still playing.
Speaker B:He was a great guy.
Speaker B:I generally had, like, really fun with him in the practice round.
Speaker B:He was really fun to be with, but probably.
Speaker B:Probably the wrong event for him to play in.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Regarding mgf, which, for those of you, when we say mgf, it's Mandatory Golf Friday, which is really something that was started by Ling Soul.
Speaker A:And we just kind of ran with it, talking to John Ashworth.
Speaker A:He was saying that in their office when he was there, they would go play golf every Friday.
Speaker A:And it was pretty much mandatory that they did it.
Speaker A:And then they started calling a Mandatory Golf Friday.
Speaker A:And so we're like, that sounds awesome.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker A:But to your point, like, all the guys that play, I mean, we've had 50 or 60 guys come through and play at some point or another.
Speaker A:I didn't know most of those guys starting out.
Speaker A:It really did kind of start out with.
Speaker A:With me and my cousin Ryan and then a small group, Brian Daniels and.
Speaker A:And Buddy E here.
Speaker A:And then like, everybody just kind of started bringing a guy, you know, and then it's like.
Speaker A:And then there's so many connections that you find, especially here in St. Louis.
Speaker A:St. Louis is a.
Speaker A:Such a small, big town.
Speaker A:But that's the cool part is we're like, hey.
Speaker A:And we preface it like, you have to have a guy that fits the vibe of mgf.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker A:It's very chill, it's laid back, you play fast, you.
Speaker A:You have fun.
Speaker A:You know, there's no bs but that's the beauty of it is just, you know, being able to meet.
Speaker A:I almost think of it as like a networking group, right?
Speaker A:Like, we've.
Speaker A:We've met so many people, so many different relationships have come out.
Speaker A:And the coolest thing that I love seeing is now guys going and playing and are even going and hanging out.
Speaker A:Two of the guys became buddies.
Speaker A:They went on vacation with their families.
Speaker A:It's like, man, it's just.
Speaker A:It's just cool to see.
Speaker A:And all that kind of came from just playing nine holes at little old Ruth park in University City.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker B:Hey, I love Ruth.
Speaker B:There may be.
Speaker B:There may be no bunkers, but it's got some teeth.
Speaker A:It's got some teeth.
Speaker A:It's got hole number five.
Speaker A:All right, my man, so let's.
Speaker A:Our interview this week is with a good buddy of mine.
Speaker A:I was really excited to have Pete on as the first guest.
Speaker A:Pete Egazarian is the director of performance at Farmington Country Club in Charlottesville, Virginia, which I've had the chance to go to now three times to go visit to do a coaching clinic.
Speaker A:Went to a seminar there for a couple days with the new X technology, which is something that we chat about in the show.
Speaker A:So I got to talk to Pete just about, like, his kind of crazy path into where he is.
Speaker A:At Farmington, he actually had a big sports performance company where he had a couple different locations.
Speaker A:Kind of started out as an instructor, basically just at one little driving range where he was literally giving lessons in like a.
Speaker A:Almost like a closet.
Speaker A:And it turned into where he had several locations of this performance center, working with baseball players, hockey players.
Speaker A:They were doing all kinds of stuff with tech and, and trackman, even trackman for hockey kind of stuff.
Speaker A:So he's, he's not your typical golf pro, which is what I love about Pete.
Speaker A:But now he's at Farmington, which you actually have some ties to Farmington, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I've, I've had, you know, when you were telling me, telling me about Pete, I was like, it was bringing me back.
Speaker B:So my sister went to college in, in Charlottesville at the University of Virginia and I've had.
Speaker B:Had the chance to play Farmington a couple times.
Speaker B:That was 20 years ago, so I'm sure a lot's changed since then.
Speaker B:But it was an awesome facility back then.
Speaker B:You know, really cool history, cool golf courses.
Speaker B:There's two of them, if I remember.
Speaker B:So yeah, it was kind of cool to have that connection with the first one off the bat.
Speaker A:Yeah, I doubt even the performance center that they have now that even the bones of that structure probably weren't even there when, when your sister was there.
Speaker A:And, and it's funny because he said that when he first got there, it just looked like a Jiffy Lube and you know, just a big building with garage doors.
Speaker B:Garage doors.
Speaker A:But now if.
Speaker A:And I've got some pictures on my, on our 18 strong Instagram of just what that performance center is now.
Speaker A:And we even talk about what they're kind of looking to do in the future.
Speaker A:But you know, they've got two awesome bays where they can do fittings and they've got all the tech and then they've got several other bays for, I can't remember five or four or five other bays where the members could just come and hit balls.
Speaker A:But what I love about that place is there's so much history there with like Thomas Jefferson.
Speaker A:And we go into that stuff in the show just about like the rich history of Farmington, the pride that they have.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:But it's such a welcoming place too.
Speaker A:Like all the members are just, just really, really cool.
Speaker A:So we talk about all of that stuff.
Speaker A:We talk about relationships built over his career and you know, how golf just allows to make so many different connections.
Speaker A:And then we even get into some of the tech and everything.
Speaker A:And then of course, one of his golf don't lie moments.
Speaker B:I'm looking forward to hearing about it.
Speaker B:This sounds like we may need to make another trip to Farmington too.
Speaker A:You know, I think we need to maybe play there, take a little guys trip.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:In fact, Pete is actually going to come on our trip to McLemore in October.
Speaker B:Oh, that's awesome.
Speaker A:Yeah, but no, it's going to be awesome.
Speaker A:So really excited for our crew to get to meet Pete.
Speaker A:And then who knows, maybe we got to take a trip out to Farmington.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm on board.
Speaker A:All right, man, I think we'll jump into the episode here.
Speaker A:We don't need to talk people's ears off before we get to Pete.
Speaker A:Like you and I have talked about, we're going to find our groove with this podcast.
Speaker A:This is a whole new venture, so everybody out there be a little patient with us and we're always open to some feedback.
Speaker A:But if you are enjoying the show, if you enjoy these episodes, we would very much appreciate like if you went on and left a rating and review for the show.
Speaker A:Go follow 18 strong and the good bogey over on Instagram.
Speaker A:And thanks, jb.
Speaker B:Thanks, Jeff.
Speaker A:Pete, my man.
Speaker A:Welcome to Golf Don't Lie.
Speaker C:Oh, great to be here.
Speaker C:Awesome.
Speaker C:Let's do this.
Speaker A:Super excited.
Speaker A:So, as you know, this is a brand new reboot of the show with a new title.
Speaker A:So I'm just super excited about this project and couldn't think of a better guest to bring on as one of the very first guests of the show.
Speaker A:So just really excited.
Speaker A:I'm actually going to see you this weekend.
Speaker C:I'm excited to see you this weekend.
Speaker C:I'm my third trip to St. Louis and every time I'm there it gets better.
Speaker C:We go to Roberto's or something and get some Italian and chat and it's always great to spend time together.
Speaker C:I mean, we're so like minded in so many ways that it just, it's such a good hang.
Speaker C:It's definitely a good hang.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Roberto's is a sneaky, good little Italian place hidden in like a little strip mall.
Speaker A:But honestly one of the, one of the best in St. Louis and we're known for some Italian food around here.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:I didn't know.
Speaker C:Now I know.
Speaker C:It's, it's amazing.
Speaker C:But yeah, do some work with Casey at Old Warson.
Speaker C:You know, the insanely progressive ideas that we have of, you know, and our point of view on high performance is definitely unique.
Speaker C:You know, we can, we'll touch on that.
Speaker C:But yeah, I mean, Cool.
Speaker A:Yeah, let's kind of start there a little bit because you and Casey, who anybody has listened to the 18 Strong podcast, Casey Cox was guest on there a while back and Casey and I work very closely here in St. Louis.
Speaker A:But you guys are, you know, you guys are very like minded.
Speaker A:We like to say you guys are the same person just in different places.
Speaker A:You're in Charlottesville at Farmington Country Club.
Speaker A:But you guys think A little bit differently than your traditional golf instructors.
Speaker A:You guys both have backgrounds outside of just golf instruction.
Speaker A:So give me just a little bit of an insight into, you know, you and your world of performance and kind of where all that started from the golf side of things.
Speaker A:And I know you got into some performance facilities and you had a huge business going and.
Speaker A:And then we'll talk about where you are right now.
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean, Casey and I are very much sports science people.
Speaker C:You know, we are classically golf coaches.
Speaker C:Casey and I relatively the same age, maybe I'm a few years older, but, you know, spend our entire careers coaching golf.
Speaker C:And we're really the two people that Casey and I know of.
Speaker C:And there might be more that come out of the woodwork from this podcast because we're going to start discussing it as sports science as a thing.
Speaker C:And really got introduced to Casey through a dad in our friend group who is a, you know, a AAA junior hockey coach that knows Casey and Rob.
Speaker C:And you know, honestly, we had a 45 minute conversation and it was kind of like a stepbrothers moment.
Speaker C:It was like, did we just become best friends?
Speaker C:And it's kind of been that way since, you know, I've been out to.
Speaker C:This will be my third trip out to St. Louis.
Speaker C:Casey's been here three times now because him, Kate and their daughter Riley came out last month and stayed with us.
Speaker C:And we did a bunch of work here and a lot of, you know, think tank work for New X and a lot of planning as to what that technology and golf and performance looks like moving forward.
Speaker C:But yeah, I mean, I've really had a fortunate career so far to not only have a high level golf career, but work in professional baseball, work with hockey, and, you know, really have the ability to bridge this gap between what the coaches are looking for and what the analytics people are looking for and being able to say, okay, if a baseball coach wants to see this, I can talk to the analytics team and say, okay, this is what they need.
Speaker C:And then the analytics people, I can be that go between, between the coaches analytics, do a little bit of consulting on the biomechanics of a baseball swing and hitting.
Speaker C:And then for hockey, we were able to accurately track a hockey puck with a Trackman 4 golf unit on ice.
Speaker C:So I actually have a trademarked evaluation protocol for shooting for Hockey, incorporating Trackman 4 slow motion video and statistical analysis of a person's ability to shoot from a stationary sense and then skate and shoot.
Speaker C:So very, very cool.
Speaker C: I could talk about in, like,: Speaker A:So, so take, take me back to young Pete.
Speaker A:When, when was the entry into, like, the golf coaching world?
Speaker A:I'm trying to get my, the timelines because we've had conversations, but I'm trying to get the timelines of places you've been.
Speaker A:And when did you join the, the golf coaching ranks?
Speaker A:And then when did you decide to kind of get out of that a little bit to start the sports science stuff?
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker C:You know, really, I would say my coaching mindedness comes from some fantastic youth coaches I have all the way through high school.
Speaker C:I really started kind of unofficially coaching when I was in high school.
Speaker C:I mean, as a.
Speaker C:The winter before my senior year of high school golf, I was driving at that point.
Speaker C:I would drive around town, pick up the guys from the golf team.
Speaker C:There was a heated driving range that was, oddly enough, going to be one of my business locations 20 years later.
Speaker C:And we would practice for two hours in the morning, practice golf two hours in the morning.
Speaker C:I'd drop everybody off and then I would go run 14 miles around town for.
Speaker C:Because it was wrestling season.
Speaker C:So it was, it really started when I was 7, 16, 17, 18 in that kind of mindset.
Speaker C:And then at 17 years old, my, my, my high school girlfriend, who is my neighbor, the number one player of the golf team, told me about the ability to go to school for golf management.
Speaker C:And then up until that point, I was going to be a elementary school teacher, and I ended up going to Methodist University in Fayetteville, North Carolina, and had some great experiences through my internships there.
Speaker C:Always had an inclination for coaching, though, was always drawn to, you know, the, the ability to help people.
Speaker C:The ability to help people accomplish goals, the ability to help shape maybe a technique or the, the art of that, the science of it was very, very interesting to me from, you know, an early age.
Speaker C:And, you know, for me specifically, I turned professional at 19.
Speaker C: in the operations world from: Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:But at that point, that was all that was available for you, unless you worked for, you know, a Jim hardy, a Jim McLean, a Bush Harmon, you know, the big names and an academy coaching full time really wasn't available to you because the technology that was required of it really was cost prohibitive, to be honest with you.
Speaker C:And then finally, you know, after being a director of golf for the second time and, you know, the, the club came to Me, they had just switched accountants and they had come to me and said, really, we really can't afford you anymore.
Speaker C: went to Taconic golf club in: Speaker C:Really coming out of that.
Speaker C:So really being at a club and being someone's personal coach, you know, was very, very, and still is very, very fulfilling to me.
Speaker A:So you're a Tucana and then you, I mean, you were coaching your lessons on the range.
Speaker A:When did you decide like, hey or what.
Speaker A:What made you then decide to, to shift from just a coaching piece to then.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker A:And I want you to tell people about the business that you built because it's pretty impressive.
Speaker C:I mean, yeah, we're going to get there, but it, you know, so during the season I was a teaching professional Taconic Golf Club, but before that I had started my own performance business and I was, you know, honestly, I remember my first winter, it was I was in, outside Portsmouth, New Hampshire working on a public golf course that my friend had, one of my college friends had called me up and was like, hey, can, you know, I'm.
Speaker C:I'm the head professional at this place.
Speaker C:Do you mind come and help me out?
Speaker C:So I was his first assistant for three years.
Speaker C: And the first winter in: Speaker C:We're in the middle of the golf shop at the Oaks Golf Links in New Hampshire.
Speaker C:Like there was nothing glamorous about this.
Speaker C:I ended up having three really good players, one of which was Mike Mahan, who end up next year going out and winning every tournament that in New Hampshire.
Speaker C:And that really just kicked things off.
Speaker C:I mean when I was in the Burke chairs and after being a director of golf, I had the MCS in a Taconic.
Speaker C:I end up having a, a soccer complex that had an indoor driving range an hour and 45 minutes from my house that I used to drive back and forth and.
Speaker C:And then also I had a.
Speaker C:There was an old crane, paper factory, stationary factory that was in North Adams, which is right next to Williamstown for those that that don't know.
Speaker C:And a developer had purchased 150,000 square feet of mill space for $40,000 with the purpose of redeveloping it.
Speaker C:So you know, being at Taconic and Williamstown and there's a lot of overlap and it's a very small community.
Speaker C:So I knew the developer, I went and looked and at that point it was just this open mill and the only way you could decide where your unit was going to be by the support poles.
Speaker C:So I asked his assistant at the time, Hannah, I said, okay, Hannah, why don't you go back to Dave and let me know how much rent is for this support pole.
Speaker C: e ended up being like I think: Speaker C:Like, you know what, you're so early in this.
Speaker C:Like it's going to be the first year is going to be like $500 a month and we'll do, we'll do all the build out for you, we'll take care of it, you know, no problem.
Speaker C: up opening that in winter of: Speaker C:It was, oh my God.
Speaker C:Yeah, it was amazing.
Speaker C:But this, this will probably be the nicest looking place I'll ever have because it was.
Speaker C: The mill was from: Speaker C:And you know, here we are in balls into a simulator on trackman with some video and it was awesome.
Speaker C:It was really awesome.
Speaker C:So I, I really went between those three locations interchangeably throughout the year.
Speaker C:Mostly when I was in Springfield, it was just in the winter, but that, you know, in Springfield was about an hour and 45 minutes from Williamstown.
Speaker C:But if really I didn't do that Springfield location, we really wouldn't have had the reach into Connecticut that we had and had the connections we had to really build NPI into what it was.
Speaker C:So it was, it was a lot of miles traveled but ultimately was able to build something that was pretty fantastic.
Speaker A:I'm just picturing the guy showing up to the first time when you were at the, the pro shop, hitting the little foam balls and him like, this is, this is the pro I'm going to see.
Speaker C:Well, as you know we had a relationship already and you know, he was a.
Speaker C:These guys are good players, right?
Speaker C:And they, I had worked with them already and they, you know, you're in New Hampshire in the winter, you're at that point it was, there was nothing, there was, there was no simulators.
Speaker C:There was.
Speaker C:So they were Just happy to have somewhere to hit balls and look at some video and you know, they had some good results with me already so they wanted to keep working with me.
Speaker C:And yeah, it was, you know, I, I looked back at on that fondly and I, you know, it kind of goes to what I tell all my younger staff here is that everything starts somewhere, you know, and if you're not willing to start, you're not going to get where you want to go.
Speaker C:So just start.
Speaker C:You just gotta, it doesn't have to be glamorous and pretty in the beginning.
Speaker C:You just need to do it just.
Speaker A:One, one foot in front of the other.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:You, you have to.
Speaker C:It's just the way it works.
Speaker C:If you're gonna wait for the perfect situation, it's just not gonna happen.
Speaker A:Well, you know, we've had so many conversations about like just the way that things flow into other things because I would imagine at that point in your life you're thinking like, okay, here's, here's what I'm doing.
Speaker A:I'm, I'm starting to build npi.
Speaker A:I'm starting to build this, this business is kind of taking off.
Speaker A:You had a ton of athletes, you are starting to build staff.
Speaker A:But now you and I have talked about where you are now and the position you're in and how probably, you know, two years into npi, you would have never thought that this was the path you were going to go.
Speaker A:But I mean, you tell me all the time how happy you are at Farmington and the position you have, but how different it is from where you were before.
Speaker C:Yeah, I could not be more happy to, you know, be the director of instruction at Farmington and represent this club and this community.
Speaker C:I'm incredibly seen and supported here and I'm, you know, I'm really grateful what, you know, the resources they give me, how kind the membership is, how kind the staff is.
Speaker C:It's an incredible place.
Speaker C:And you know, anytime anyone visits, you know, you included, they're really floored.
Speaker C:And I think it's rightfully so.
Speaker C:But you know, I, I didn't know this was going to happen.
Speaker C:Leading up to a week before it happened, I had no idea.
Speaker C:This all came out of nowhere.
Speaker C:I was so entrenched in what we were doing at NPI and all the demand on my time at that point.
Speaker C:And when this came across on plea, you know, we had a very serious conversation about what this would look like.
Speaker C:And you know, it was ultimately a family decision, a family based decision, you know, and there's, you know, that I.
Speaker C:And, well, your listeners don't know, but we have a guest coaching program here and you're part of it, Casey's part of it.
Speaker C:And, you know, Jeff Smith from Indiana, who's now the director of instruction at the Vintage Club, you know, flat out asked me, why'd you give up all of everything you had?
Speaker C:Like, without hesitation said, my family, it was not even.
Speaker C:There's no.
Speaker C:That's an easy answer, you know, because having a three year old that didn't know who I was was very impactful.
Speaker C:So coming to Farmington, you know, I'm here six days a week, but I'm there for, you know, drop the boys at the bus in the morning.
Speaker C:I'm home for dinner almost every night.
Speaker C:You know, I'm there for bedtime.
Speaker C:I'm able to take time off.
Speaker C:I make my own schedule.
Speaker C:Like, I'm able to go see Casey and see you in St. Louis.
Speaker C:It gives me the freedom and to build my career, but also to be home with my family, which I never had.
Speaker C:When we had MPI, it was, it was a 24 7.
Speaker C:And you know, my wife half jokingly called our business the meatiest child we had.
Speaker A:So, so what was it like when you guys, I mean, did, did you and your wife go visit Charlottesville?
Speaker A:How did the opportunity even come up?
Speaker C:So the opportunity came up, you know, Jeff Montross, the director of golf here, reached out to the proponent group, you know, said they were hiring a director of instruction.
Speaker C:You know, the.
Speaker C:The proponent group put it out and said, hey, you know, we're Farmington's looking for a director of instruction, so.
Speaker C:And it said, reach out to Jeff Montross, you know, and, and Jeff and I got connected through that whole thing, set my resume, and at that point I was coaching 13 hours straight, like every day.
Speaker C:I took Sundays off, But it was 13 hours straight, no breaks, no lunch, no nothing.
Speaker C:And, you know, you.
Speaker C:Jeff saw my resume, he was interested, he wanted to talk to me.
Speaker C:So I happened to have a cancellation at like one o' clock on a Thursday, which was kind of like two days after we initially connected.
Speaker C:I said, hey, Jeff, I have a cancellation.
Speaker C:You want to connect, let's talk.
Speaker C:So we had a 45 minute conversation.
Speaker C:It was great.
Speaker C:It was just about, you know, kind of like we're talking right now, just back and forth, just talking about what my journey's been and you know, what I want my legacy to be in golf and in sports.
Speaker C:And honestly, we hung up.
Speaker C:He called me three o' clock the next day, offered me the job and it was either Martin Luther Weekend or President's Weekend.
Speaker C:But the kids didn't have school on that Monday.
Speaker C:So we dropped the kids off at my parents house in Connecticut, drove seven hours down here, toured Farmington, toured Charlottesville.
Speaker C:We stayed in Charlottesville that night.
Speaker C:And we're very taken by the place.
Speaker C:I mean, you've been here.
Speaker C:How could you not, right?
Speaker C:I mean, and you know, on the way back, we, as a, as a couple, we pro and conned everything and ultimately made a decision to come here.
Speaker C:And you know, on that next Wednesday morning, we sat the kids down over breakfast and told them we were moving to Charlottesville.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, the first time going there, the place is so impressive.
Speaker A:And I'm gonna let you expand on a little bit of the history of the place and just kind of everything that that's going on there.
Speaker A:But, you know, my, my first time out there was last summer.
Speaker A:I've been out there three times now.
Speaker A:But, you know, there's, there's just something so special about the place as far as, like, just the, how welcoming the members are.
Speaker A:And when you get there, you know, you think this is such an, an old club there.
Speaker A:There's so much history to this place that you kind of assume that it's going to be, you know, a little bit, you know, maybe a little pretentious or.
Speaker A:And, and there's got to be a balance there of like, figuring out, like, how do you, you know, really have the prestige, but how do you not have the pretentiousness?
Speaker A:And you guys kind of find that perfect little balance.
Speaker A:But, you know, tell me about your first experience getting there and kind of working with the staff.
Speaker A:And I've had the pleasure of meeting so many of the members now, including like, Bob Mogier, who just.
Speaker A:We might have to have Bob on the show one of these days.
Speaker C:I think we do.
Speaker A:With the history of that.
Speaker A:He knows about the club and all that, but also just his own story, which is what this podcast is really about.
Speaker A:So for those of you, as we know, as this podcast goes, we're gonna really have so many cool guests on, but this is so much less about the education of golf and the fitness stuff that it used to be with 18 strong.
Speaker A:What we're doing here is really to tell the stories of people like Pete and just, I mean, we can talk about how relationships are so ingrained in the world of golf.
Speaker A:Just like you can go show up on a tee box and meet a guy that's a single and, you know, he could end up Being a good buddy of yours for many years to come.
Speaker A:But tell me a little bit about you getting to Charlottesville, you getting to Farmington, and just a little bit of the history of the club for everybody listening.
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean, let me go into the history of the club because it's fantastic.
Speaker C:I mean, it really has a significant place in history, not only for.
Speaker C:Well beyond golf, I would say.
Speaker C:It's, you know, in Charlottesville, Virginia, is, you know, the University of Virginia is here, and it's a.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:Was the home of Thomas Jefferson.
Speaker C:Thomas Jefferson helped found University of Virginia and made Charlottesville the kind of the intellectual center it is, dating back to the founding of uva.
Speaker C:And, you know, but at that period of time, the owners of Farmington were the Diver family.
Speaker C:And Tom Diver was very good friends with Thomas Jefferson.
Speaker C:And Thomas Jefferson was known for everything he's known now.
Speaker C:He was in primarily architecture, was his profession, along with many other things.
Speaker C:But the Diver family wanted to put an addition on the front of their farmhouse.
Speaker C:And, you know, just like we would now, we reach out to a friend that does this for a living, maybe a contractor or if you need an architect, they'll design it for you.
Speaker C:But for Charlottesville, at the time, they were friends, the Divers and the Jeffersons were friends and reached out to Thomas Jefferson and said, you know, this is what I'm looking to do.
Speaker C:And, you know, Thomas Jefferson ended up designing and, you know, his people built the front room of what is now Farmington's Country Club, which is known as the Jefferson Room.
Speaker C:And it is maintained by our historical society to be 98% original.
Speaker C:During our new act summit, we were good and it was nice enough to have dinner in there, which Bob was good enough to join us.
Speaker C:And it was fantastic, wasn't it?
Speaker C:I mean, that was so awesome.
Speaker C:It's pretty romantic.
Speaker C: ng the property dates back to: Speaker C:It was very, very close to getting completely burnt down, but, you know, when Thomas Jefferson often used Farmington for social engagements, and all of his official engagements while he was president were done at Monticello, which is about five miles from here.
Speaker C:But many, many times they would host parties at the Diver's home for social events.
Speaker C:So we have, in a real way, a business and a country club running out of a historical site.
Speaker C:So right now at the club, our club is really looking at the longevity of this as a historical site as well as a club.
Speaker C:So there's always, you know, you go to a place like Oak Hill that has huge rich golf history as well as some history with it in his own.
Speaker C:But it.
Speaker C:When you look at how deep the history is here at Farmington as far as outside of golf and with golf, it's very, very impressive.
Speaker C:But to your point, as far as the membership goes, I don't think I've ever met a more unpretentious membership than Farmington.
Speaker C:Everyone's so kind.
Speaker C:And what I tell people is that there are some very clear lines of professionalism that we do maintain.
Speaker C:But there are relationships that are formed and friendships that are formed between staff and membership or members because you know, we do have staff that have been here for 40 plus years.
Speaker C:You know, we.
Speaker C:So myself, I, I plan to be here until I, until I retire.
Speaker C:So it's great to.
Speaker C:Especially for what I do from the performance side and for what my team does in performance, we really look to further that relationship, you know, through the game of golf.
Speaker C:Like you said, you can.
Speaker C:Golf is such a vehicle for life, isn't it?
Speaker C:It's, it's absolutely, it is completely that.
Speaker C:I mean, you look at how I grew up playing, I am not a private club kid.
Speaker C:I am a municipal golf course kid through and through.
Speaker C:Grew up at Timberland Golf Club.
Speaker C:You know, wasn't allowed to be on the, on the putting green till I was 12.
Speaker C:Started playing when I was 5, hitting balls in my grandfather's backyard.
Speaker C:12 years old, right.
Speaker C:Couldn't make a tee time, had to wait around, had to work on my shortcam.
Speaker C:Why can I chip and putt?
Speaker C:Because I had to wait around for three, four, five hours until I could fill in with a random group of adults as a 12, 13 year old.
Speaker C:So what did you have to do?
Speaker C:You had to learn as a 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 year old, you had to learn how to talk to strangers, you had to learn how to talk to adults, you had to learn how to fit into this group you could just got put with.
Speaker C:So now you know, that's learning life lessons at an early age, you know, where now when you meet a 13 year old, they're a little more, sometimes a little more reserved, tough to have a conversation with.
Speaker C:And sometimes you run into some of the kids like we have here where they'll shake your hand, look you in the eye, have a conversation with you.
Speaker C:But that's a life skill that I learned through golf early on.
Speaker C:Just getting paired up with some random person so I could play a run of golf.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, you're right.
Speaker A:And we don't get the opportunity to have our kids do that a whole lot these days.
Speaker A:We don't belong to a private club, so it's tough to just go drop your kid off at a muni course these days.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It's just a different world that we live in.
Speaker C:I did that was childcare for my parents.
Speaker A:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker A:And back when I was that age, it would have been too.
Speaker A:I mean, we were out playing, playing roller hockey till the street lights came on and going up to the, to the schoolyard to play fuzzball and you know, whatever we could.
Speaker A:We were outside all the time.
Speaker A:So it is a shame that we don't quite have that as much anymore.
Speaker A:This is great stuff.
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Speaker A:But yeah, back to Farmington a little bit.
Speaker A:You know, you've got the history there.
Speaker A:You had Thomas Jefferson, which he designed it while he was President of the United States.
Speaker A:Also correct.
Speaker A:Which is just that just blows me away.
Speaker A:And so to have, when we were sitting there having, having drinks and having dinner, like just sitting there, we probably said it 10 times.
Speaker A:Like we're sitting where Thomas Jefferson sat and had conversations.
Speaker A:And you know, we're, we're doing the same, just meeting new people and learning about each other and learning about, you know, just forming relationships.
Speaker A:And one of the coolest things that I've seen you do at Farmington and it's the reason why I was there, is implementing this whole coaches clinic thing that you, where you bring in the guest coaches.
Speaker A:And I would imagine, I know for a fact that your membership has loved it and you've brought in a lot of different people.
Speaker A:But I want to talk a little bit more about like how that, you know, because that's.
Speaker A:That whole thread of golf has created so many opportunities for.
Speaker A:For yourself, for myself, for so many of the people that we work with.
Speaker A:And I would imagine everybody that plays golf has a story that something from the golf course has led to something else in their life.
Speaker A:What's it been like to be able to interact and bring some of these coaches in?
Speaker A:Because obviously you have an incredible facility that people want to go to, so you have that opportunity to say, hey, Andrew Rice, come on in and hang out for a week.
Speaker A:Or, you know, so you've had some incredible coaches.
Speaker A:What's that been like for you to be able to form some of these relationships and learn from people?
Speaker C:It's been fantastic.
Speaker C:I really can't say how invaluable it is for myself just to further my relationship with someone like Andrew, who's coming actually next month with his wife, Terry, who have an incredible business they built up.
Speaker C:And Andrew's just incredibly kind as well as Terry.
Speaker C:They're great people.
Speaker C:But to spend two days with Stan Utley and just have dinner with him, have lunch with him, coach with him, and just get to know each other better and, you know, get to further that relationship.
Speaker C:You know, someone like Kevin Duffy, who comes down for four days, five days, and he does about two and a half days worth of work.
Speaker C:And, you know, we've been friends for so long that we get to.
Speaker C:I get to share Farmington with him.
Speaker C:We get to spend time together.
Speaker C:We went to a UVA wrestling match together.
Speaker C:We went to, you know, we.
Speaker C:We get to further that relationship.
Speaker C:Even though he's outside Boston, I'm down here, you know, having you come, having Casey come.
Speaker C:I have the opportunity to further these relationships and learn from you all.
Speaker C:The membership really enjoys getting to know different professionals.
Speaker C:Maybe hearing something that I've been telling them said in a different way, and it might hit different.
Speaker C:It really comes down to that relationship building that I see as being incredibly important for myself personally.
Speaker C:The members of Farmington, my performance team with Jillian and Dominic and Amy, and, you know, the two interns we have for Methodist University, which is my alma mater.
Speaker C:You know, we just had Preston Combs as a tour putting coach, who's fantastic.
Speaker C:Also a Methodist graduation.
Speaker C:My two interns got to spend a whole day shadowing him.
Speaker B:You know, one on.
Speaker C:Chris was on.
Speaker C:Spent the day with Preston on Saturday.
Speaker C:Emily spent the day with him on Sunday and learned a ton from Preston.
Speaker C:He's.
Speaker C:He's exceptionally.
Speaker C:He's exceptionally good at what he does, and he's so happy to Share his knowledge that he's, you know, accumulated over time.
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean, I really am just running with this, that Farmington came to me and they know I have a pretty big national network and they said, we want you to put this guest coaching program together.
Speaker C: Preston Combs in September of: Speaker C:You know, Kevin Duffy was next.
Speaker C:And then I just started reaching out to people and you know, we've had Rick Murphy here, we've had, you name it, I mean, it's just going to keep rolling and next year we're, we keep leveling up.
Speaker C: o our, the Club Centennial in: Speaker C:It's, it's really fantastic.
Speaker C:But everything we do here is very much predicated on building relationships, whether it's with our members, it's with our guest coaches, it's our team.
Speaker C:You know, Team Farmington as a whole is very large.
Speaker C:We're the fourth largest employer in Charlottesville with over 500 staff members.
Speaker C:So, you know, we, as a team, we all spend time together and it's, it's incredibly important for us to be a team and to really appreciate each other's roles and who we are as people.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, just the, the scope and size of that place is so crazy to me.
Speaker A:I mean, you've got, you have a hotel on, on property that is like one of the coolest things I've ever seen.
Speaker A:And it's not new.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:I mean, that's, that thing is.
Speaker C:No, it's not.
Speaker A:When, when was that hotel built?
Speaker A:Do you know?
Speaker C:You know what?
Speaker C:I don't know, to be honest.
Speaker C:It's something that I haven't gotten to yet as far as learning that aspect of it.
Speaker C:But we do have a 39 room hotel on property, most of which is in the main clubhouse.
Speaker C:So I, you know what, I, I wish I knew that answer because it'd be really fun.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, it was just cool to stay on property.
Speaker A:You know, we walked down to, to breakfast in the morning, had lunch, dinner, all that good stuff.
Speaker A:Kind of walked the, the bellows of the, of the downstairs and, and walks up, you know, saw some of the, the inner guts of the building and everything and just.
Speaker C:Well, you got to go to the wine cellar.
Speaker C:If you're here, you have to show people the, the original wine cellar.
Speaker C:You know, how could you not?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:To think that Thomas Jefferson's pulling bottles out of that wine cellar is pretty.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker A:Right, so you guys are in a very established club with a lot of history but you personally have kind of changed the scope there and I've talked to several people on your staff behind your back, you know, when I'm, when I'm there.
Speaker A:Right, but.
Speaker A:And they talk about how you, you've brought such a, such a unique thing to Farmington in your mindset about building out such a future focused performance center.
Speaker A:And I know that the performance center you're in right now is awesome.
Speaker A:You've got two like elite build out built out hitting bays and then you have, is it, is it four or five other garage other four other bays where the, the members can come down and hit out of.
Speaker A:But the two know you've got decked out with all the tech and, and everything.
Speaker C:Yeah, we have all the tech, you.
Speaker A:Have all the tech but you're not.
Speaker C:Even, you're not stopping there behind me too, which is probably the most insane thing.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker A:Oh yeah, we're going to get to that.
Speaker A:To that.
Speaker C:We're going to get to that.
Speaker A:But you know like so that's, that's the first real performance facility I've been in that was that scope.
Speaker A:But like I know that you're, you guys are looking to go big and beyond that, right?
Speaker C:Yeah, we're already making plans for down the road but you know it comes down to the support of the membership of the programs we've put out, the technology we put together, you know, there.
Speaker C: This building was built in: Speaker C:It was very, very forward thinking and Joe Kren, who's the CEO and general manager here was really had a bigger, broader picture.
Speaker C:He's know Joe's now the, the vice president of the CMAA and soon to be president.
Speaker C:So very well respected nationally for what he does and, but when this was built it was not very popular with the non golfing members.
Speaker C:You know, in fact they called it the Jiffy Lube.
Speaker C:They were like why do we have a Jiffy Lube down near the entrance of our club?
Speaker C:You know, and it's rightful because.
Speaker A:I'll.
Speaker C:Say this, when Mary and I came to visit Farmington to see if we were going to move here, it was a 65 degree February day that now these days when we have days like this, this place is packed.
Speaker C:You can't get in here.
Speaker C:There's people, you know, there's three, four people using each top tracer bay.
Speaker C:There's lessons in the trackman studios.
Speaker C:There's all sorts of stuff going on.
Speaker C:We came down here, and it had looked like this place was locked up for weeks at a time.
Speaker C:No one was in here.
Speaker C:And when.
Speaker C:When I saw that, I. I saw the building, I saw the space, and I just saw potential.
Speaker C:And then I've had my own track record of either renovating facilities, building facilities.
Speaker C:And I knew that with the large membership that we have here, the facility we had at that point as a starting point, and the amount of support that I'm being given by club leadership, that we could turn this into, like, we have something very special.
Speaker C:So, I mean, that's when we're looking down the road.
Speaker C:We're looking at right now.
Speaker C:Like you look at our four top tracer hitting stations that are right outside the door.
Speaker C: From where I am in: Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker C:Insane, right?
Speaker A:Insane.
Speaker C: When I got here in: Speaker C:It was just a place to hit that had some fans, it had some shade.
Speaker C:You know, it had some heaters in the winter, if it was not nice, though.
Speaker C:But now to have that be the case where, you know, more understanding that six hitting stations now is not enough space for the membership to entertain, to practice, and for us to coach.
Speaker C:So now we're looking years down the road at a space that's potentially larger.
Speaker A:So I would imagine the skepticism from.
Speaker A:From those members, not the 12 that would go down to the Jiffy Lube, but the.
Speaker A:The other, however many.
Speaker A:How many members?
Speaker C:I was joking around.
Speaker C:Yeah, I was joking around the other day.
Speaker C:I was.
Speaker C:I want to get a custom green and white sign that's shaped like that Jiffy Lube.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:With the arrow that says golf performance on it.
Speaker C:And I want to stick it on the outside of the building as a running joke.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's what I. I really want that.
Speaker C:I've been.
Speaker C:I'm going to really try to make that happen next year.
Speaker A:Either that or just even just make T shirts for.
Speaker A:For your staff.
Speaker A:That'd be great.
Speaker A:The Jiffy Lube on the front.
Speaker C:You know what, Jeff?
Speaker C:That's like.
Speaker C:We're going to do that.
Speaker C:We're doing that.
Speaker C:I'm going to get on that right.
Speaker A:After we you know what, knowing you, you will have that already ordered by the time I see you this weekend because that's how you operate.
Speaker C:You know, I don't mess around.
Speaker A:No, I know when I say I'm.
Speaker C:Going to do something, I do it.
Speaker C:That's for sure.
Speaker A:So that pulls me into this next, this next piece of.
Speaker A:You know, you mentioned the, the thing behind you which people can't see that are listening here, but you've been working with a new piece of technology called the NX Pro unit.
Speaker A:I've had a chance to work with it and, and work with New X, the company.
Speaker A:Casey uses it all the time over at Old Warson.
Speaker A:But you guys are really.
Speaker A:Or maybe not today, but over the last six months to a year, you were the only two golf professionals using this piece of technology.
Speaker A:And kind of like you coming into the club having just, you know, the Jiffy Lube down, down at the entrance, nobody used it.
Speaker A:All of a sudden this guy Pete comes in, he kind of steamrolls in and starts to build out this performance center.
Speaker A:And now you go talk to anybody at Farmington and they're like, oh my God, that's, that's like our favorite thing.
Speaker A:Everything.
Speaker A:They basically, from my understanding, kind of trust you blindly with your projects because of your track record.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You've come in, you've done the things that you said you were going to do and, and people are using it, people are loving it, and most importantly, people are getting better.
Speaker A:And so now tell us a little bit about this unit that you're using.
Speaker A:It's an interneuromuscular stimulation unit.
Speaker A:So we're going to get a little bit into the, you know, the guts of kind of the, the nerdy sports, science, golf instructor, golf, fitness guy stuff.
Speaker C:It's all going to come out now, but the nerd is really going to come out here.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:But all of you guys pay attention because they're, you know, it's kind of incredible.
Speaker A:This ties in with not just the golf, but the body, the mind and how it all goes together.
Speaker A:But, but also just the performance side of things and how forward thinking you guys really are.
Speaker C:Well, this is our, I would say for Casey and myself, this is our unique point of view on high performance.
Speaker C:You know, this is a technology that is very new.
Speaker C:Electrical stimulation has been around for a very long time, but the specifics of this technology are exactly that, very specific as to the purpose and the wavelength of electrical current that's being used for different purposes.
Speaker C:So most commonly we're going to, well, and most commonly we're using 250Hz, which is a frequency that through the movements of the player are going to be able to relax muscle groups neurologically.
Speaker C:So the technology itself has gel pads that are strategically placed around the body and the electrocurrent is working with the nervous system of the person while the current is running, and we're running different pad placements and protocols, we are doing different movements to have those movements facilitate whatever change we're looking to have happen.
Speaker C:The technology and electrical current expedites all the changes that we're looking to make.
Speaker C:So even if it's some very straightforward range of motion improvement, if it's maybe there's been an injury present or, or right now we're learning that the ankle sprain you had as a senior in high school is coming back to haunt you as a 40 year old.
Speaker C:That's something that we're learning, but really what the device does is enables neuromuscular re education, which is a big turn.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:But what does it mean?
Speaker C:It means that the plasticity of your brain is trained neurologically to fall into a certain pattern.
Speaker C:And we have the ability now through this technology to change that plasticity as well as enhance the capacity for movement.
Speaker C:So I have, you know, I've had this for about a year and it took until last week for me to put this on someone that was hitting golf balls and I had a member here that was having a very, very hard time translating their practice swing to the swing at the golf ball.
Speaker C:So one of the protocols with the NX Pro is called a neural reboot, which we'll get into a little bit, which is very, very profound.
Speaker C:One of the other parts is called a performance reboot.
Speaker C:So we actually stimulate the vagus nerve in the back of your neck and that's responsible for everything in your body, mainly how your brain down regulates your organs, your gut, you name it.
Speaker C:It's coming from your brain down through your vagus nerve and to your body and 20 minutes later, you know, through him.
Speaker C:A series of practice swings, a series of swings at the ball.
Speaker C:You know, he is making, he's bridging that gap between that practice swing and the swing of the ball.
Speaker C:And he's making his practice swing at the ball because we're actually programming his body to move differently through the technology.
Speaker A:Yeah, so I've had a chance to.
Speaker A:Well, I had a, I had a unit for a little bit here and I was there in Farmington to learn from Scott and the team at New X.
Speaker A:And then we actually remember when we were there, you put me on it.
Speaker A:Well, the first time I came down, or maybe the second time I came down, I mean, we spent a couple hours with you walking me through some of the protocols.
Speaker A:But then remember the one, it was, I think the second day.
Speaker C:I was.
Speaker A:Hitting some golf balls and you were watching me hit and you're like, dude, what's up with your left ankle?
Speaker A:And so kind of to go back to your point about, you know, an old high school ankle sprain or whatever, I had an injury in high school that I randomly stepped on a broken piece of glass in soccer tryouts and was on crutches for however many weeks.
Speaker A:But that, that left foot has kind of reared its ugly head over the last several years with some, some ailments and some issues.
Speaker A:And you're like, your left ankle is not moving whatsoever and you're trying to rotate through.
Speaker A:And so you took me through a couple, couple different protocols with the ankle mobility.
Speaker A:And I'm not kidding, this is not sponsored by NX Pro or anything, but you're like, all right, now go hit some balls.
Speaker A:And I swear to God, I was hitting a seven iron and it was going 10 to 15 yards further after that treatment session and it was, it was simply, you know, and I mean, obviously I'm, I'm in this world.
Speaker A:I'm in the world of looking at how the body moves and watching and, you know, re educating movement patterns.
Speaker A:But that's when I, that's when I saw it and I was like, holy shit, this thing, this just worked on me.
Speaker A:And that's when you get the real buy in.
Speaker C:Right works.
Speaker C:And if people are skeptical, I don't blame them because in the beginning I was like, before I actually got on it myself, I was very skeptical too because it all sounds like woo, woo.
Speaker C:Like, like too good to be true kind of.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Because it's almost like, oh yeah, the Annex Pro can help that.
Speaker A:Oh yeah, the NX Pro can help that.
Speaker A:Because it's not just about the, you know, we're learning so much about the body these days, about fascia and muscles and neuroplasticity and everything and, and even like you were talking about the brain waves which.
Speaker A:The neural reboot and performance reboot.
Speaker A:This is gonna be really cool because I'm, I'm gonna have Dr. Gaston Cordova in.
Speaker A:I'm having him on the next episode and I.
Speaker A:You two are still going to connect.
Speaker A:We're going to get you guys connected.
Speaker C:Because I'm going out to see them in Chicago in the end of August.
Speaker A:Oh, sick.
Speaker C:Perfect.
Speaker C:It's all getting worked out.
Speaker C:I'm going out the 22nd to the 25th to Chicago.
Speaker C:Bring a new X with me.
Speaker C:We're going to do, we're going to go to Cog Hill, we're going to Medina, going to go see Gaston, we're going to see a bunch of people in the Chicago area.
Speaker C:So if you're listening to this and you want me to see you in Chicago, let's do it.
Speaker A:Oh, sweet.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:If anybody, if any of you guys want to, want to talk to Pete about the, the NX Pro, by all means reach out and, and we'll get that connected because Gaston, as you know, is, is in like the, the sports, the, the mental side of things really.
Speaker A:The, the neuroscience piece of it.
Speaker A:And we had him in here at our facility about a month ago and he is working with the inner excellence platform, Jim Murphy.
Speaker A:And if you guys have seen the book Inner Excellence, it's kind of all over the place these days after the Eagles won the, the NFL championship or the Super Bowl.
Speaker A:But he talked so much about the brain waves and, and you know, meditation and how you have to calm your body down in order to calm your brain down.
Speaker A:And as soon as I saw you guys talking about what this NX Pro does neurologically in the brain waves and the beta waves and the alpha waves and going through all that stuff, I was like, holy crap, we got to get Gaston and Pete and Casey and Scott and that whole team put together.
Speaker A:But you're right, I mean, there's so many pieces to golf, there's so many pieces to performance, there's so many pieces to just life and stress and anxiety that when you can start to learn how to dial some of these things in by your breathing and, and using, you know, some of this newer tech that we all now have access to.
Speaker A:It's crazy what, what we have available.
Speaker C:Oh, crazy.
Speaker A:It's like all of these pieces coming together.
Speaker C:It's just so cool to have the ability now.
Speaker C:So going out to St. Louis this weekend, a guest coach with Casey Coxet, Old Warson.
Speaker C:This is the first time we're really going to be putting NX Pro with a golf school.
Speaker C:We're going to be doing.
Speaker C:We actually have an additional piece of technology which is more diagnostic.
Speaker C:All the VitalScan that will be part of our program moving forward.
Speaker C:We're going to be doing our evaluation is now vital scan which gives a full body spectrum analysis of heart rate variability, brain wave type, autonomic Nervous system regulation, you name it, inflammation, vitamins or minerals and vitamins.
Speaker C:And then it gets into an entire eastern parameter, which body meridians and chakras so that you have the capacity to work with, you know, you know, professionals in multiple disciplines.
Speaker C:Then the second step will be a full body mapping.
Speaker C:So we have this mapping tool right here.
Speaker C:We can wand people's body with it.
Speaker C:And anywhere that they're going to feel a spike in sensation, that's going to be an area of neurological or muscle dysfunction and fascial dysfunction that we want to address.
Speaker C:And then from there, they're going to go on to a movement screening.
Speaker C:We're going to take all those results, and we're going to customize a golf school the next day based on the results we get.
Speaker C:But you talk about how you're going to not only address muscle dysfunction and movement deficiencies, you're actually going to a neurological level now and finding where that neurological patterning has come from.
Speaker C:And you can start addressing the root cause as to why.
Speaker C:You know, Casey does a great job explaining the science of movement.
Speaker C:It's a thought occurs, a muscle contracts, a bone moves.
Speaker C:That's the best explanation I've ever heard of how sports performance works.
Speaker C:So now, for the first time, we're getting down to the neurological level, and we're changing the patterns of the.
Speaker C:And the brain waves of how movement's going to happen.
Speaker C:And there's this entire section of high performance and muscle dysfunction that's not talked about, in a sense, of neurological dysfunction and neurological patterning that's developed over time.
Speaker C:So we're all fundamentally flawed and designed to be asymmetrical because of the way our organs are in our body.
Speaker C:So if you're looking at addressing asymmetries neurologically, then you have a better chance of getting down to the root cause and making meaningful change faster.
Speaker A:So, yeah, so body scans, chakras, you know, all the normal golf pro stuff.
Speaker C:All the normal golf pro stuff.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's.
Speaker A:You know, I told you guys at the beginning that Pete and Casey do things a little bit differently.
Speaker C:We do things differently.
Speaker C:But I'll say this about my golf coaching.
Speaker C:All of this stuff is in the background, and I'm very, very much.
Speaker C:I know that simplicity is the most important thing when coaching anything.
Speaker C:So especially when you're learning, you're wanting to perform while playing golf, you have to.
Speaker C:Your thinking has to be very simplistic in nature because of everything else you're having to handle playing golf.
Speaker C:So while I'm coaching someone, understand that Everything I'm talking about is kind of a thought process in the background.
Speaker C:But I'm giving and I'm tip.
Speaker C:Pulling out that one thing that's going to help someone play golf better right away.
Speaker C:So don't ever think that this is how I talk in, in session.
Speaker C:In session.
Speaker C:I'm, I, I dislike golf terms.
Speaker C:I want to speak English.
Speaker C:I want to meet the person that I'm with at their level and just help them have fun.
Speaker C:Like, if I happen to have a competitive player and we need to get in the weeds a little bit, then we get in the weeds.
Speaker C:But we're unpacking their luggage so that we could put in, we could put one or maybe two things back in.
Speaker C:That's going to be most helpful.
Speaker C:So regardless of how I'm talking, this is kind of all background stuff that, you know, is filtered and all geared towards some simplicity because it has to be that.
Speaker A:No, that's a, that's a very important point because as we know as golfers, we've already got so many things going through our heads that, you know, to have somebody like yourself to help us dial it in, pick one or two things.
Speaker A:You know, I'm sure all of us are like that.
Speaker A:You're standing over a ball, you're trying not to think about something.
Speaker A:You're trying to think about something.
Speaker A:You're worried about this move or that.
Speaker A:And you can't play good golf like that.
Speaker C:I mean, in general, everybody now is overstimulated.
Speaker C:It doesn't matter what it is.
Speaker C:Like, doesn't matter what it is.
Speaker C:And that's, you know, to kind of get back to the NX Pro, the neuro reboot side.
Speaker C:You know, what it does is it takes you from this sympathetic state of your automatic nervous system.
Speaker C:What has to do with like fight or flight, high cortisol, like overthinking, overstimulated, everything is just too much for life.
Speaker C:And you almost think, feel like you're pulsing.
Speaker C:You know, it's when a lot of, a lot of neurological experts are going to call that running hot, right?
Speaker C:And then we have the ability 20, 25, 30 minutes to this of a duration of a neuro reboot.
Speaker C:We have the ability for you to up and down regulate your nervous system through breathing and through your environment and relaxing music that you can listen to that.
Speaker C:It takes you into more of a parasympathetic or just a, in a, in a really good vagal tone so you can live more relaxed, you can have a more relaxed mindset, and you can be more Fluid and you can get more into that rest and restore state rather than that constant fight or flight that unfortunately, with everything going on in the world and how stimulated we are with social media and if you have children and you have a job and you have parents that are not well or, and just life, you know, that that's what really gets us and that's overstimulated.
Speaker C:So then I get somebody coming in for a golf session and I'm spending 90% of my time getting them to relax and to be present and to be ready to make a something one change to help them play golf better and have more fun.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, that's.
Speaker C:From a technology standpoint, what, what everything then Gaston does and all of these very holistic, non chemical, non, non invasive options for your own, the wellness of your own mindset.
Speaker C:It's all good.
Speaker C:Like, I, I've gone down many rabbit holes in the past year just educating myself on the nervous system and different ways of regulating a nervous system.
Speaker C:And yet it's, you know, even I listened to a book on a woman about tuning forks.
Speaker C:I was like, okay, this is a little out there, but I'm, I'm gonna listen to what she has to say.
Speaker C:And you know, I got into biofields and all of that, so there's, there's plenty of information out there.
Speaker C:But the reason why I'll bring that up is that the technology that NUX has just expedites all the results.
Speaker C:That's the biggest thing.
Speaker C:You can use all these tools that wellness professionals want to give you while this is running, and it's just going to expedite all the results.
Speaker C:So all the work you do, Jeff, with your clients and your community members on their wellness, it's all good.
Speaker C:This technology is not a substitute for that.
Speaker C:It, all it does is expedite results.
Speaker C:That's all it does.
Speaker A:Well, and to tie it all back into just kind of the theme.
Speaker A:And you and I have had so many conversations on, yes, you know, we're both in the world of golf, but what we do is, is yeah, we want to see you drop your scores.
Speaker A:We personally want to drop our own scores.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker A:But, but ultimately, like, what we're doing is to help you basically be better, help ourselves be better, find, always trying to find ways to, you know, find a way to be healthier, find a way to be happier, find a way to, to settle the brain down, find a way to, to be stronger.
Speaker A:And it all boils back down to, you know, like, like we say here, like golf Golf don't lie, because golf is going to kind of give you a glimpse of, of where you are mentally, where you are physically.
Speaker A:You can go out on the golf course and, and you can really, you know, you're playing against the golf course, you're playing against the golf architect, and you're playing against yourself in your own mind.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:But you're more so put against yourself on your own mind, that's for sure.
Speaker A:And that's for sure, doesn't matter who you are if you're a billionaire, if you're, you know, a garbage man, whatever.
Speaker A:Like, golf is going to kind of tell you where you are that day.
Speaker A:But that's why we love it, too.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:We love the community aspect of it, and we will be able to play it and do it better and, and play with our grandkids and do that for, you know, years to come.
Speaker A:And that's really what all this stuff that we do is.
Speaker C:Yeah, 100%.
Speaker C:I mean, I, I always feel like golf exposes people for who they really are.
Speaker C:So anytime you're going to enter into a.
Speaker C:Any kind of business relationship or, or anything, and if you want to really get to know somebody, go play golf with them, because you're going to find out everything you need to know within probably the first nine holes of who this person is, what their values are.
Speaker C:You know, if they cheat at golf, he could just kind of be like, all right, we're all set here.
Speaker C:Like, yeah.
Speaker A:How they react to a bad shot.
Speaker C:How.
Speaker C:Yeah, how, you know, what's their resilience?
Speaker C:Like, you know, golf exposes who you are and what you stand for.
Speaker C:And, you know, it's awesome.
Speaker C:It really is great.
Speaker C:And then there's so many.
Speaker C:There's so many people in other sports that look to golf.
Speaker C:And I would say this, like, for my time in other sports, the most surprising thing to learn was that all of the other major sports, United States looked at golf for, for technology and development paradigms.
Speaker C:And I was floored by that because in a lot of ways you feel like golf is antiquated.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:It's a, it's one of the oldest sports.
Speaker C:But yeah, in a real way, you have major league baseball, minor league baseball, have a trackman unit hardwired into every stadium.
Speaker C:Like, when you watch a broadcast now, you see exit below launch angle for pitching, you see spin rate and velocity and all the cool graphics they have, and that's about a tenth of what that technology measures for baseball, you know, and you have all this other technology that's used to enhance the broadcast.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:Forget, forget development.
Speaker C:Forget, yeah, you know, player safety and all of that.
Speaker C:You're just looking at enhancing the broadcast through technology.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:And when I, when I.
Speaker C:That was my main thing.
Speaker C:I learned from my sports science background as well as just getting to do really cool things with insanely good athletes.
Speaker C:That was really, really interesting.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker A:I never really thought about how.
Speaker A:I never really thought about how many other sports are looking at golf and the tech that's in there, just seeing the shot, shape and stuff like that.
Speaker A:And now that's in baseball, that's in all these different sports.
Speaker C:And right before I came to Farmington, I was trying to marry the NHL and Trackman and that didn't come to fruition because that's when Trackman was launching Trackman IO, which is their indoor optimized sale simulator device.
Speaker C:And I was working with the NHL over here trying to have this happen so they could develop an arena unit that would be able to track the player and the puck and it would enhance.
Speaker C:It would completely change the way you watch hockey and enhance the broadcast.
Speaker C:And it's always been a point of contention to the fringe hockey fan not being able to follow the puck right.
Speaker C: s,: Speaker C:So, yeah, there's all sorts of stuff that just people don't know about and it's really cool.
Speaker A:All right, dude, I know we could sit here and talk all day, but before I let you go, we're going to kind of ask every guest that comes on to think about what we're going to call a Golf Don't Lie moment.
Speaker A:Some.
Speaker A:Some moment in golf.
Speaker A:And it could be when you were playing or when you're coaching that either maybe humbled you, taught you a lesson, brought about gratitude throughout your.
Speaker A:Your game.
Speaker A:But if you can come up with one that just pops into your head, what.
Speaker A:What would be a Golf Don't Lie moment for you?
Speaker C:Well, that's a tough one.
Speaker C:That's a tough one.
Speaker C:That's a good question.
Speaker C:I like the.
Speaker C:You know, that's going to be a really good one for people to.
Speaker C:And as this podcast keeps going and you get a good collection of people on here, you're going to.
Speaker C:This is very James Lipton of you in a lot of ways, I would say it was, you know, and I kind of.
Speaker C:There's 25 years doing this.
Speaker C:There's.
Speaker C:There's so many interest instances in golf that you know, you have opportunities to learn.
Speaker C:I would say the work I'm doing right now with New X and the dedicated time I get to have with people that have been excellent in their own profession and the amount of time I get to spend learning from them and talking to them is very humbling, first of all, because they've all been exceptionally successful.
Speaker C:But you mentioned Bob.
Speaker C:I spent an incredible amount of time with Bob, you know, helping resolve his neuropathy and his legs, you know, and learning from him and asking questions and having the ability to kind of, as a 43 year old, learn from someone that's, you know, a little older than I am and has, has.
Speaker C:Has lived an incredible life.
Speaker C:I would say that was.
Speaker C:That sticks out to me right now.
Speaker C:That really sticks out to me right now.
Speaker C:And it's, it's very humbling in the sense that I'm in a position now after npi, after, after Taconic, after being, you know, driving all these miles and running the business like I did, that I have the ability to not only learn from them, but to influence their own wellness and longevity in life.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's pretty surreal right now, to be honest.
Speaker C:I'm.
Speaker C:And I get to do that on a daily basis, which is.
Speaker C:I feel so fortunate.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker A:And I feel fortunate to have you as a friend, as a mentor.
Speaker A:I mean, I've told you this and hopefully, you know, this, but, you know, just watching you do the things that you do inspire me and many of the others in our profession to step up our game a little bit.
Speaker A:And, you know, you're just doing incredible things.
Speaker A:You've got a great staff out there.
Speaker C:I appreciate that.
Speaker C:Smart.
Speaker C:Really kind of you to say that.
Speaker C:But, you know, I just appreciate your friendship.
Speaker C:You know, we do that for each other, right?
Speaker C:That's what friends do.
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